Andor: Denise Gough on Dedra vs Luthen: “You see them at their most Machiavellian”

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One of the most tense confrontations in Andor – indeed, in all of Star Wars – was the long-awaited showdown between Dedra Meero and Luthen Rael, and the 10th episode of Andor season 2 Make It Stop certainly didn’t disappoint. While Tony Gilroy was keen for the actors not to overthink the scene, Denise Gough looks back at a meeting years in the making as Axis finally gets caught out.

Dedra and Luthen dropped the charade and unleashed on each other, with Luthen telling her, “The rebellion isn’t here anymore. It’s flown away; it’s everywhere now.” While Dedra looks in horror at his burning communications, he stabs himself, wanting to prevent the Empire from extracting any of his secrets.

“You see them at their most Machiavellian,” says Gough of this cat-and-mouse game. “Even though they both know what’s going on, they’re both playing at the top of their Machiavellian skillset. But she falls at the last hurdle, man. She almost has him. It’s just devastating.”

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Mark Newbold
Mark Newbold
Exploring the galaxy since 1978, Mark wrote his first fan fiction in '81 and has been a presence online since webpage Fanta War in 1996. He is the EiC and Daily Content Manager of Fantha Tracks and currently contributes to ILM.com, SkywalkerSound.com, Star Wars – Das Offizielle Magazin, Journal of the Whills and Starburst Magazine, having previously contributed to magazines Star Wars Insider, Geeky Monkey, TV Film Memorabilia, Model and Collectors Mart, partworks Build Darth Vader, Star Wars Encyclopedia, and Build The Millennium Falcon, and websites Jedi.net, Jedi News, StarWars.com, Lightsabre.co.uk, and Wirezone. He is the only podcaster to have appeared on every Celebration podcast stage since it began in 2015 (hosting it four times), and is the co-host of Making Tracks, Canon Fodder and Start Your Engines on Fantha Tracks Radio.
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One of the most tense confrontations in Andor – indeed, in all of Star Wars – was the long-awaited showdown between Dedra Meero and Luthen Rael, and the 10th episode of Andor season 2 Make It Stop certainly didn’t disappoint. While Tony Gilroy was keen for the actors not to overthink the scene, Denise Gough looks back at a meeting years in the making as Axis finally gets caught out.

Dedra and Luthen dropped the charade and unleashed on each other, with Luthen telling her, “The rebellion isn’t here anymore. It’s flown away; it’s everywhere now.” While Dedra looks in horror at his burning communications, he stabs himself, wanting to prevent the Empire from extracting any of his secrets.

“You see them at their most Machiavellian,” says Gough of this cat-and-mouse game. “Even though they both know what’s going on, they’re both playing at the top of their Machiavellian skillset. But she falls at the last hurdle, man. She almost has him. It’s just devastating.”

SourceEW
Mark Newbold
Mark Newbold
Exploring the galaxy since 1978, Mark wrote his first fan fiction in '81 and has been a presence online since webpage Fanta War in 1996. He is the EiC and Daily Content Manager of Fantha Tracks and currently contributes to ILM.com, SkywalkerSound.com, Star Wars – Das Offizielle Magazin, Journal of the Whills and Starburst Magazine, having previously contributed to magazines Star Wars Insider, Geeky Monkey, TV Film Memorabilia, Model and Collectors Mart, partworks Build Darth Vader, Star Wars Encyclopedia, and Build The Millennium Falcon, and websites Jedi.net, Jedi News, StarWars.com, Lightsabre.co.uk, and Wirezone. He is the only podcaster to have appeared on every Celebration podcast stage since it began in 2015 (hosting it four times), and is the co-host of Making Tracks, Canon Fodder and Start Your Engines on Fantha Tracks Radio.
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